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#1 MartyMcNerd

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 07:11 AM

I have always been interested in synthetic life and also of the views of those who try to create it. The relationships formed between creator and created have been prevalent through some great movies but also some fabulous flops.

 

Which is your fave movie about androids, robot, synthetic life etc and why?

 

Do you think it's likely to happen in the way it happened in the film? 

 

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:42 AM

I liked Bicentennial Man because of the themes, and yeah, I suppose it's possible. In terms of the most realistic version of our future, I'm thinking Persocoms from Chobits aren't too far away at this point.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:52 AM

Yes!!!! U absolute beaut of a legend. That is my fave movie of all time and it is an absolute possibility. I love the themes and how it pokes, then shoves then punches at the human idea of "life".

"I think therefore I am". Makes u think hard about the rights, laws etc of potential lifeforms that don't have a heartbeat (to begin with!) but can work and learn.

I can't believe that movie wasn't considered one of his best. To me it WAS his best. Funny, heart warming, sad. Eeeeee. Sorry haha u got me!

So to you, what is it to be 'alive'?

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 11:02 AM

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"Turn her off or I will."

 

I think Patch Adams was his best, but I haven't watched his films in decades.

 

My definition is "alive" is shaky, because how is a bacterium "alive" but a virus not? As such, my definition is open and unestablished. I'd love to hear yours.
 


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 11:03 AM

Also, I knew we'd be friends.


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#6 MartyMcNerd

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Posted 20 September 2014 - 12:39 PM

I think bacterium and viral life are perfect examples. I mean, life as we know it is based on the 7 processes we consider all living organisms to possess (namely: respiration, reproduction, sensitivity, growth, movement, excretion and taking in nutrition). 

 

The best example I ever heard to challenge our views was something like...

 

"Bacteria do these processes but so rapidly that if they could perceive human beings they would see us as inanimate objects. They wouldn't be able to see us going through our processes because we would be doing it so slowly compared to them. What if a rock, or anything for that matter that we see as being inorganic, was simply a living organism that was just proceeding through it's processes as a much slower rate than we could perceive, millions or billions of years even."

 

And further more, we defined those perimeters. Does an organism need to be able to reproduce itself for it to be considered alive? What if they were reproduced by others? People are considered "alive" even when machines are breathing for them and pumping their blood. Sensation? That merely means being able to take input from the world around you and turn it into an output (aka its too hot here so lets go over there etc). Computers take in input and sensation all the time, in the form of basic temperature gauges or even keyboards. The 5 senses can all be utilised by machines e.g. webcams, microphones, touchscreen and pressure pads etc etc **http://singularityhu...e-in-5-years/**

 

To me, these perimeters can be met individually in many forms, we're just to close minded to think that anything that dosnt resemble our internal structure could match our magical gift of life or way more than that, our sentience, this idea that we know who we are and know that we're alive.

 

One day machines will question us and we'll be fucked.



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Posted 20 September 2014 - 12:59 PM

I'm not trying to be pedantic, but "perimeter" or "parameter"?

 

And I guess it doesn't matter if it is human-defined, because we are the species that will be using the definition, so... I dunno, I lost my point.

 

And we are going have have to seriously reconsider our definitions very shortly as technology advances. Devices are creeping toward humanity's capacity for basic functions very quickly.

 

And with the bacteria vs. viruses, I remember having that discussion in 7th grade (age 12), and I still haven't really made up my mind.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 01:18 PM

Sorry haha, be pedantic, please, I meant parameter. For every incorrect word or spelling I should be awarded with 10 lashes.

That's true too I guess, we define cookies because we're the ones who need that definition and we're the ones using it to define a mix of baked eggs sugar and flour.

 

I think although as a race we haven't been the best at awarding rights and giving thought to issues that really matter but I think we're slowly, slowly learning from our mistakes. Maybe there is hope for the future??



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Posted 20 September 2014 - 01:33 PM

I think although as a race we haven't been the best at awarding rights and giving thought to issues that really matter but I think we're slowly, slowly learning from our mistakes. Maybe there is hope for the future??

That completely reminds me of-- there's a passage in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them about Centaurs, Merpeople and Goblins and the "Being" vs. "Beast" debate. 

 

From the Wikia:

Humans (Muggles and wizards and witches) are beings. Though there are even extremists who campaign of the classification of Muggles as Beasts. Goblins, vampires, hags, giants, house-elves, veela, and werewolves in their human form are also given this status. It is important to note that when there is a full moon the werewolf in its transformed state would be classified as a beast and not a being.

Merpeople and centaurs were offered this status, but refused because they did not want to be grouped with creatures such as hags and vampires and are by default classified as Beasts.

Other creatures fit the qualifications that define Being (intelligent speech), such as Acromantulas, Sphinxes, and Manticores, but were not even offered Being status due to their extremely violent and even lethal tendencies. They are also classified as Beasts.

Centaurs asked specifically to be classified as "beasts" in protest of some political bullshit involving either Merpeople or Goblins, I can't remember.

 

Quite interesting stuff, Magical history.


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Posted 20 September 2014 - 10:32 PM

Blade Runner is fucking amazing.


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 12:19 AM

I can't believe that movie wasn't considered one of his best. To me it WAS his best. Funny, heart warming, sad. Eeeeee. Sorry haha u got me!

Probably because it has a 37% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.  Not a lot of people liked it.

 

Favorite robot movie?  Probably the original RoboCop, the recent remake, or T2.

 

Aladdin was obviously his best, although I am partial to Jumanji (damn nearly wore out the VCR watching that movie so many times as a kid.)


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Posted 22 September 2014 - 04:03 PM

Actually, I'll retract that; Aladdin was probably his best. Although, I still haven't seen Good Morning, Vitenam, so...


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Posted 23 September 2014 - 08:50 PM

Actually, I'll retract that; Aladdin was probably his best. Although, I still haven't seen Good Morning, Vitenam, so...

 

Good Morning Vietnam isn't a movie a kid can appreciate. I know I didn't back when I was fourteen and sat through most of it. I re-tried at twenty or so and really liked it. That said, I still like Aladdin more. Fucking being an adult with adult problems. Although, the Vietnamese kid's sister was pretty hot. Weird, how Asian girls all seem to have slightly different exoticism when you look at the different parts of Asia. Like, compare a pale skinned Japanese miko to a smokey skinned girl from China in one of those tight dresses with the high collar. Arabian girls like Jasmine are cute too. Wait, what was my point again?

 

That completely reminds me of-- there's a passage in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them about Centaurs, Merpeople and Goblins and the "Being" vs. "Beast" debate. 

 

From the Wikia:

Centaurs asked specifically to be classified as "beasts" in protest of some political bullshit involving either Merpeople or Goblins, I can't remember.

 

Quite interesting stuff, Magical history.

 

Did you just bring wizards into a robot fight? Shoot...

 

 

Blade Runner is fucking amazing.

 

Amazing movie, amazing book, but for completely different reason. More appropriate in the Kurzweil style of robotics, too.


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Posted 23 September 2014 - 10:29 PM

Robin Williams best work is in my opinion, Mrs. Doubtfire. As for 'robot' movies Blade Runner, Terminator 2 and The Iron Giant


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Posted 24 September 2014 - 05:18 PM

Good Morning Vietnam isn't a movie a kid can appreciate. I know I didn't back when I was fourteen and sat through most of it. I re-tried at twenty or so and really liked it. 

Can I just say that I qualify as a "kid", and love good morning Vietnam?

 

Amazing movie, amazing book, but for completely different reason. More appropriate in the Kurzweil style of robotics, too.

Philip K. Dick adaptations are interesting -- they are almost never anything like the book, but are usually terrific.


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Posted 19 October 2014 - 05:08 AM

and The Iron Giant

 

OH GOD YES

I scanned through this thread like a T-800 waiting for someone to mention this absolute masterpiece, and finally someone did oh my god I love you so much

---ahem, but seriously, The Iron Giant is one of my favourite movies ever and is one of the main reasons I love robots so much nowadays. I used to watch it so many times as a kid, and I forgot it even existed for over 10 years until I saw it again and maybe just sort of kind of perhaps cried like a baby. I won't admit anything.


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Posted 22 October 2014 - 05:20 PM

I would not say no to watching that again. I've only seen it once when I was like, fourteen, and I knew it was deep as hell and worth loving.

 

Typically, I haven't fucking seen it since.


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Posted 24 October 2014 - 11:15 AM

You should. You so totally should.

 

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:19 PM

1980's Robocop


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Posted 23 December 2014 - 10:58 PM

I'm sad no one brought up Short Circuit ("NUMBER 5 IS ALIVE!") or Batteries not Included. 


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