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#241 Wolf

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Well, you can't really go wrong, without runes you'll probably need help taking out blue golem no matter the champion. I practiced on Warwick, he's cheap and easy, but falls off kinda late, and isn't really a threat until 6. All in all, though, I wouldn't recommend him.

I hear really good things about Rengar [whose gonna be my next jungle purchase], his W gives you good wave clear, and bonus armor. I've yet to try him myself, so Idunno how dependent he is on runes. Only downside is he's 6300, and I'm only buying him next cuz hes a furry.

I can jungle just fine with Zed, no runes or anything. He's all AD, naturally pretty strong [his W gives %AD bonus], and he can build pretty tanky as a result. Maxing his E clears jungles really quick, and his Ulti gives you just enough power for good ganks. His W is good not only for clearing, but for hopping walls, checking brushes, and general vision. His passive also makes him pretty scary in teamfights, with enough health and vamp.

Personally, I would wait for emo's word on it, as he's the most experienced here.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:12 PM

Well i just tried out skarner(since hes free this week and useable to jungle). ended game with 11/1/12 >.> i think i did ok. And my one death was at the end of the game finishing off the enemy base

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

:lol: hell yea man, good job.

Also, theres this little picture that greatly helps with jungling, at least for new junglers.

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I had that as my wallpaper for the longest time >.>

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Skarner used to be a really popular jungle pick in s2, anymore he's kinda fell off - but if you enjoy him he's definitely still viable.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

Nah I am seeing some shortcomings on him. I am only using him because he is free this week. Who would you suggest?

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

Also at about what point should my team be going after the dragon? >.> so far I have waited so long that I can solo it by the time I go after it.

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 11:36 PM

Amumu is absolute god tier carry games right now.
Mundo/Lee Sin are both pretty good atm but I wouldn't recommend for your first real jungler. (both kind of tough to play right)
Maok is pretty easy and pretty good, really strong ganks.
Fiddle/Sej/Olaf/Nocturne are pretty good as well but are more niche roles.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

OK i think i will buy amumu then. He is not even terribly expensive

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#249 Wolf

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

Amumu is absolute god tier carry games right now.
Mundo/Lee Sin are both pretty good atm but I wouldn't recommend for your first real jungler. (both kind of tough to play right)
Maok is pretty easy and pretty good, really strong ganks.
Fiddle/Sej/Olaf/Nocturne are pretty good as well but are more niche roles.


I'm so tired of seeing Amumu, such a crybaby. Thank god I play Zed, my W is perfect for Curse of the Sad Mummy and all his AoE bullcrap. But yeah, he's super beefy carry right now.

Lee sin is great, but if you cant hit that W you might as well ZZZZZ when you fall off late game.

Maokai is great, like you said really good ganks. He's the preferred jungle of TheOddOne [Team SoloMid's jungle]

Brolaf isn't a niche role, you just throw axes at everything, and don't die. >.> Reckless swing stuff when you can.



Also, I bought Rengar, and I don't recommend him. without a bonetooth necklace and some kills/assists he has a hard time away from brush. But once you manage to get some AD, health, and 6 kills on the necklace... He actually starts to be a threat. I just wish his Ult was as good as Kha's, the two are really similar, but Kha wins in general, hands down. Kha's kit is, like, a better, more flexible version of Rengars kit. His Q is good without empower, his W has more range [and heals without empower], his E is just... better, and his ult has multiple uses, and doesn't get it's duration hurt my damage. Only advantage rengar has is jumping from brush, but Kha gets Unseen threat from brush, so... Kha'Zix wins hands down.

I feel like I bought Yorick or Viktor something v.v hes like a crappier version of a better champ, but hes just as expensive. Nerf bat too stronk.

Next time I'm gonna play it safe and buy a super overused champ like Ez, or Vayne, possibly someone still kinda broken like Kha or Shen. They may not be the funnest champs but... I actually wanna win some matches :\

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 10:46 AM

Yeah, rengar isn't doing so hot atm. He got a big knee-jerk nerf and the s3 changes haven't really been beneficial to him. I thought they were planning on buffing him but I haven't seen anything yet. Rengar trades some of kha's burst and mobility for some tankiness and CC, little more bruiser than assassin. A meta shift could bring him back into flavor but I wouldn't really expect it anytime soon.

If I'm doing ranked I'll only pick olaf jungle if we have a tank top or they're running some real hard cc with no real stickable damage. (ie, after you kill their carry you can get out) He's not quite tanky enough and has no real CC so I can't really justify picking him unless I can soak damage effectively and live. :x

As far as Ez goes I wouldn't consider him that good atm, just way overplayed because he's an extremely safe pick. His damage is pretty mediocre, though - just feels like it isn't there; on top of that, he's nerfed on PBE currently.

Until you really develop a good feel for what's good based on playing just buy champs that you'll enjoy. I'd rather have a teammate that's extremely good at x viable champion (read: not karma or volibear) than one who plays decently as some fotm champ.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

Very well put. Kha's burst and mobility plays alot better than Rengar's 1.5 sec slow. I can only hope they buff Rengar... eventually... And as far as a meta shift, the KR servers are still using old comps, none of which I've seen with Rengar, so chances are he's gonna fade into obscurity. I was hoping that the Rengar nerf was like Ez's last nerf [where they hit his W hard], not really a deal-breaker, just giving him less build options. It wasn't until I read Rengar's changelog that I realized what a terrible mistake I'de made ._.

Personally, I wish Riot would just balance and fix the champs we have, instead of working on adding even more. Playing as Vi was freakin miserable at first, alot of her skills [like her ult] would just... break, either not do anything, or not do the intended effect. Zed's shadow does an old glitch [I've seen it on other champions] where it goes 90 degrees from where you aim it, and wont go through walls, afterwards your skillshots don't go where you aim them. PF Ezreal still has a glitch where his animation makes him miss cs, sometimes you get the cs but the gold doesn't show. And we have /all kinds/ of champions that aren't played because they aren't viable, they got nerfed hard at some point and just forgotten. If you pick Yorick, Trundle, Karma, etc etc people in Ranked think you're trolling.

So that's why I'm gonna buy a safe AD pick, like Ez. I'm half decent with skillshots, and I'm a beast with timing his ult. Oh wait, HE'S getting nerfed too...

This damned game, man -_-

Time for me to continue my "Only plays Zed" marathon. I guess Rengar will be my "just for funsies" champ.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 11:58 AM

I don't think the balance is too bad overall. I'd really only consider 5 champions not viable atm: Karma, Rengar, Heimerdinger, Syndra, Tryndamere.
If you look at the hightest loss rates the majority could be fine if the meta changed, had better itemization or get a few buffs from the general powercreep

The buggy Vi stuff is a good point though, I wish they wouldn't release until all that stuff is sorted out - they either end up fixing the bugs are a balanced champ becomes OP or a mediocre champ becomes playable.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

LoLking depresses me, every time I go there I see statistics that make me wanna stop playing >.>

All the champions that are best, statistically are champions I dont wanna play

I am the 40% loss rate D:

OT: Considering we just started s3, I don't think anythings gonna change soon >.>

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 12:53 PM

Pft, play what you enjoy. It's a game, as long as you're not trolling ranked with karma, use common sense and you actually try no one has anything to be upset about. If you take heimer top I'll politely ask you not to, but if you want to do voli top in a normal I'm not gonna bitch.

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#255 Wolf

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:32 PM

I getcha

I really shouldn't worry about bein in the meta, especially just playing normals. It's all for fun.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

Word nucc@. that's why I enjoy dominion on down time, nobody really cares.

Speaking of dominion, today is Wednesday. I should be available ~8PM (unless this is a bad time for people), all levels and any experience (even if you've never played before) welcome to come (EU friends make NA accounts!). Just add emosaurusrex on league and send me a message here or on league saying you want in.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 02:16 PM

Add UncannyK9 too

looking forward to this :D

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Wow, apparently Twisted Fate has the highest win rate? Holy shit lol he was like my first purchase. xD

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

Wow, apparently Twisted Fate has the highest win rate? Holy shit lol he was like my first purchase. xD

Yeah, he's one of the best champs to hard carry a game with.
I'm not a fan of playing him myself but the amount of bad situations he can recover with his ult is baller.

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

I have no beefs with TF, aside from waiting for the damned gold card.

Or /having/ the gold card, and not wanting to use it.