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#21 Majestic

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Posted 18 April 2017 - 03:15 PM

I could just never justify the risk when it comes to the bigger stuff.

Yeah you might have some of the best experiences/feelings of your life, but there is the off chance that even if done safely and conscientiously you can die.

I prefer to have a consistently decent life than a super duper few years ending in a heart attack.

 

I didn't really make it clear, I'm not some fucking pill head that does this stuff all of the time. I don't actually like coke. I think I'm done with MDMA, it just fucks you up too much - I had a patch of anxiety and panic attacks when I was stupid and did too much one night, and though those effects have subsequently dissipated, I learned my lesson and haven't had such effects since. Another reason to be done with it is, as you say, that it greatly increases the risk of heart problems.

 

LSD, on the other hand, is widely misconceived to be the direct instigator of mental illnesses. Recent studies show that the risk to mental health is far lower than previously thought, and evidence suggests that used in the right way, it can be used to treat PTSD and anxiety.

 

If your family has a history of mental disorders such as schizophrenia, taking LSD can be a contributing factor in the development of such conditions. However, the probability and actual frequency of these events occurring is greatly exacerbated by stories of stars such as Syd Barrett. The reality is in most cases, is that they took too much - they pushed themselves too far.

 

Another point I'd like to mention, is that It doesn't put me in a funny mood for days whenever I take it, the comedown is far better than that of alcohol. In fact, I usually feel pretty centred for weeks after taking it.

 

Another thing - LSD is pretty much harmless to the body, with the exceptions of respiratory system damage from taking too much too often. To be quite frank, the damage it does to the large majority of people is far less than that of a night drinking too much.

 

MDMA, Coke, speed and other amphetamines, on the other hand, do put a lot of strain on the body and heart. LSD does not, hence my liking to it.

 

I saw a chart informing users of the dangers various drugs pose to the consumer, and LSD and Mushrooms were right at the bottom, with alcohol somewhere in the middle, and MDMA and other amphetamines at the top.

 

I just want to experience new things, new ways of thinking, new perspectives, and LSD is definitely one of the things that can help to do that. Once of my friends tried it for the first time recently with me, and he's not usually the kind of person to do this thing, but I had a feeling he might like it. I will also say that I did not pressure him, I asked him if he'd be up for trying a small amount, and he agreed. At first, he approached it with his usual skepticism, and he didn't like it so much. As the night went on, he came to understand how it works and how it affects your thinking, and he was very much enjoying it. And he said, "thanks for that tab man, it's given me some interesting insights, I've actually learned some stuff about myself". 

 

It's not really something that can be explained, only experienced. But although I doubt I'll ever convince you to try it, I just hope I can convince you of its grossly misplaced distrust.

 

Though, to be quite fair, the fact that you're worrying about what it'll do to your body is probably a sign you shouldn't take it. Taking this stuff with a paranoid voice in the back of your head telling you it's going to kill you will only end in more paranoia.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 04:45 PM

I totally agree, I really enjoy life even the shitty times plus drugs can effect moods and mood swings. Effective thinking, problem solving, then there's addiction which to me is terrifying.
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Posted 19 April 2017 - 04:45 AM

Not every body has the mind for acid. You can't try and fight it or control it, any ego or resistance, or denial will only manifest itself in your trips. Just sit back, zoom out, and enjoy the altered state of consciousness. And most importantly, don't go off doing stupid amounts - that road is rocky.

 

I smoke weed, and I've tried other things like Shrooms, DMT, MD and Coke. Personally, LSD tops them all.

 

These things are controversial, but to be quite frank, I don't think they should be. Used in moderation and respect, it is highly unlikely any negative consequences will come of it. And I hasten to add, I've had some of the most incredible experiences of my life experimenting with these things.

 

I like to think outside the box, and there's nothing quite like an altered state of consciousness to achieve such a thing.

 

It's just important to know your limits, be with people you can trust, and don't let yourself become consumed by addiction.

I'm going to be honest with you. Acid was shit. The high was very synthetic.

 

I didn't have a bad trip per se. I was drunk. Took half a tab. Forgot I took it, 45 minutes later I remember the bands guitars started spitting out colorful sparks and musical notes randomly. (I think back and have a laugh at how shocked I was) I was more surprised than anything. It was fine. Didn't flip out or anything. It was weird, i went from being drunk to not being drunk. The acid had completely overridden my intoxication. I remember being unimpressed by the high. I've had mushies before, and the acid felt very artificial. I remember thinking to myself, "well this is the true definition of a chemical romance" and being pissed off that I had to buy more beer. lol

 

Acids not for me, and I can't take anyone seriously who defend it. sorry. That shit will cause brain damage if you take it in large portions.  


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:01 AM

I can feel a thesis sized reply incoming detailing the critical analysis of drug usage. :P

 

Well that's me kiddies. I'm out before this thread turns messy. 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:07 AM

I actually refuse to try acid, hshaha it sounds scary and I'm not into risking my amazing brain for an "experience". You know how I test my limits? Having 3 kids and watching 2 more hshaha
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Posted 19 April 2017 - 05:19 AM

I actually refuse to try acid, hshaha it sounds scary and I'm not into risking my amazing brain for an "experience". You know how I test my limits? Having 3 kids and watching 2 more hshaha

Hahaha. Yeah I'm kinda embarrassed I took it. Just being drunk and edgy I guess. Same reason why I'll never smoke crack. I value my brain too much. Probably why I'm 100% straight edge at the moment. (I don't even drink anymore) There's more to life than mind altering substances. I would love to have kids one day. For me, that's the next thrill to seek :D   


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:16 AM

I'm going to be honest with you. Acid was shit. The high was very synthetic. I didn't have a bad trip per se. I was drunk. Took half a tab. Forgot I took it, 45 minutes later I remember the bands guitars started spitting out colorful sparks and musical notes randomly. (I think back and have a laugh at how shocked I was) I was more surprised than anything. It was fine. Didn't flip out or anything. It was weird, i went from being drunk to not being drunk. The acid had completely overridden my intoxication. I remember being unimpressed by the high. I've had mushies before, and the acid felt very artificial. I remember thinking to myself, "well this is the true definition of a chemical romance" and being pissed off that I had to buy more beer. lol Acids not for me, and I can't take anyone seriously who defend it. sorry. That shit will cause brain damage if you take it in large portions.

 

You probably didn't have very good stuff to be honest. You need to at least do a tab to get a full experience. But yeah, acid is not for everybody. Though to say you can't take someone else seriously because they had a good experience and you didn't is a bit naive. At the end of the day, it's something I enjoy occasionally, and thats my choice.

It probably felt synthetic because you were thinking it would be. Your trips and the way you feel depend on what your thinking or expecting. But just because something is synthetic doesn't mean it's bad. Synthesised alcohol molecules are physically indistinguishable from alcohol molecules that had formed through organic decomposition. Synthetic just means it was created by us. A lot of food you eat is synthetic. A packet of crisps, chewing gum, sweets, the flavour is all synthetic, but you don't think twice about eating them. Most pharmaceuticals are synthetic variants of naturally occurring compounds. The synthetic status I think is irrelevant here.

And, it is not certain that it will "cause" brain damage, that is a gross exaggeration. You wanted to make that point, research it before you say it. As I said before, if you have a history of metal disorders in the family, the probability of acid being a contributing factor increases, but remains very much an improbability.

If you look any any drugs site, it'll list a bunch of horrible sounding side effects, but those are worst case effects. But if you look at the actual scientific research, the results speak for themselves. If you look at the side effects of aspartame, stuff you consume in your fizzy drinks quite often, there are plenty of horrible sounding worst case side effects. But they're worse case, and affect a very small number of people, just like LSD.

Most of these pages listing side effects are designed to sound as intimidating as possible, because they are sites that don't advocate the use of drugs, and they can't be seen to be potentially supporting the use of such things by stating that it's unlikely to cause problems, because that's not much of an off-put is it?

Anything you take too much of will damage you in one way or another. And that is specifically why I don't take it all of the time. I've used it about five times in the past two years, and only twice have I had more than one tab, and even then my max was always two throughout an entire evening.
 

I can feel a thesis sized reply incoming detailing the critical analysis of drug usage. :P

Well that's me kiddies. I'm out before this thread turns messy.

 

Not sure there was a need for the passive aggressive tone there. Look, I've said everything I wanted to say. You disagree, and that's fine.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:27 AM

Hahaha. Yeah I'm kinda embarrassed I took it. Just being drunk and edgy I guess. Same reason why I'll never smoke crack. I value my brain too much. Probably why I'm 100% straight edge at the moment. (I don't even drink anymore) There's more to life than mind altering substances. I would love to have kids one day. For me, that's the next thrill to seek :D   


You've just compared two completely different things. I won't go near crack, heroin or any of the real dirty stuff.

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 11:53 AM

I'm going to be honest with you. Acid was shit. The high was very synthetic.

 

I didn't have a bad trip per se. I was drunk. Took half a tab. Forgot I took it, 45 minutes later I remember the bands guitars started spitting out colorful sparks and musical notes randomly. (I think back and have a laugh at how shocked I was) I was more surprised than anything. It was fine. Didn't flip out or anything. It was weird, i went from being drunk to not being drunk. The acid had completely overridden my intoxication. I remember being unimpressed by the high. I've had mushies before, and the acid felt very artificial. I remember thinking to myself, "well this is the true definition of a chemical romance" and being pissed off that I had to buy more beer. lol

 

Acids not for me, and I can't take anyone seriously who defend it. sorry. That shit will cause brain damage if you take it in large portions.  

 

Also, here is another bombshell I'd like to just drop here:

 

There is an inverse correlation between LSD use and the development of mental health issues.

 

I now quote the following conclusion drawn from several different scientific studies done on LSD use and mental health. Here's an article on those studies.

We failed to find any associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and past year serious psychological distress, receiving or needing mental health treatment, depression, anxiety, or suicidal thoughts or behavior in the past year. Rather, lifetime use of psychedelics was associated with decreased inpatient psychiatric treatment.

 

However, the same cannot be said for crack, heroin methamphetamine, and the other dirty drugs. And I've not gone anywhere near those, nor do I intend to.

 

 

I totally agree, I really enjoy life even the shitty times plus drugs can effect moods and mood swings. Effective thinking, problem solving, then there's addiction which to me is terrifying.

 

I don't have any issues solving problems, I work full-time as a professional full-stack web developer. Programming is basically pure problem solving, and I'm pretty good at it. To be quite frank, the stone-over from smoking weed makes it harder to concentrate than the effects LSD have on me the next day, and you smoke weed yourself! And weed is by far the most addictive, I couldn't do acid for days on end. Once every three or four months is quite enough for me. You said you take painkillers because they are relaxing, that's not really much worse than taking a small amount of coke.

 

I'm actually doing very well in my job, and my work has been praised by many people.

 

 

 

A lot of you are talking about these things as if you're knowledgable on the subject of what they do to you. And while I don't have a problem at all with the fact that many of you don't want to try these things - that's your choice, and that's fair enough. But I do have a problem with this judgemental attitude some of you have taken towards me and people who use these things.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:02 PM

 

 

A lot of you are talking about these things as if you're knowledgable on the subject of what they do to you. And while I don't have a problem at all with the fact that many of you don't want to try these things - that's your choice, and that's fair enough. But I do have a problem with this judgemental attitude some of you have taken towards me and people who use these things.

The problem here Majestic is the fact that you defend this drug with your misconstrued hypothesis, believing yourself to be a scholar on the subject simply because you indulge and partake in the consumption of an illicit (not to mention illegal and highly dangerous) substance and then go on to accuse us of being defensive because of the fact that we don't agree with your distorted point of view?  You sound really condescending and think us uneducated in the matter. To that I chuckle at thee.

 

Perhaps the only naive person is YOU by thinking that  you could convince a board full of bright minded individuals that LSD is all right, simply because you have had a good experience.

 

I gotta be honest, there are better ways of utilizing your time than trying to convince me that this drug is "not too bad"

 

No amount of your wikipedia research with your dissertation sized replies can convince me otherwise. 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:43 PM

"I've said everything I want to say. You disagree, and that's fine."

 

Proceeds to make two more posts, both directed at the person he was finished with in a lame attempt to convince them he's right. Alright. Edit button, champ.

 

OT: I've had enough trouble with over-the-counter medication. I've never touched any kind of illegal drug, and I have no plans to in the future. If you need to completely rewrite your mind in order to enjoy yourself, then I pity you.

 

And as an aside, thanks for contributing money to criminals. I'm sure the world thanks you for such a selfless act.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:46 PM

I just wanna know where Majestic is getting his regular supply of hallucinogens, cause they're so hard to find in the UK. I'm really really intrigued by acid and DMT, moreso the latter than the former, mostly because a 45 minute power high sounds more appealing to me than an eight hour one. :)

 

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:49 PM

Pff I'm not the one wearing a wire. YOU'RE the narc. D:


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 03:57 PM

"I've said everything I want to say. You disagree, and that's fine."

 

Proceeds to make two more posts, both directed at the person he was finished with in a lame attempt to convince them he's right. Alright. Edit button, champ.

 

OT: I've had enough trouble with over-the-counter medication. I've never touched any kind of illegal drug, and I have no plans to in the future. If you need to completely rewrite your mind in order to enjoy yourself, then I pity you.

 

And as an aside, thanks for contributing money to criminals. I'm sure the world thanks you for such a selfless act.

 

Yes, that was premature of me to say that. I enjoy myself very much so when I see friends, I am very much in touch with the fact that there is more to life than this stuff. I just see it just another thing to experience and do, just like gorging on some chocolate occasionally, or going on holiday. It makes for a nice change from the normal way of life, and afterwards I come back to reality, rest for a day, and go back to work. Life goes on.

 

The problem here Majestic is the fact that you defend this drug with your misconstrued hypothesis, believing yourself to be a scholar on the subject simply because you indulge and partake in the consumption of an illicit (not to mention illegal and highly dangerous) substance and then go on to accuse us of being defensive because of the fact that we don't agree with your distorted point of view?  You sound really condescending and think us uneducated in the matter. To that I chuckle at thee.

 

Perhaps the only naive person is YOU by thinking that  you could convince a board full of bright minded individuals that LSD is all right, simply because you have had a good experience.

 

I gotta be honest, there are better ways of utilizing your time than trying to convince me that this drug is "not too bad"

 

No amount of your wikipedia research with your dissertation sized replies can convince me otherwise. 

 

You are correct, in retrospect that last bit was, indeed a tad condescending. Though, I promise that was not the intent. I apologise that I came across that way. I do get a little passionate when I get into conversation about various subjects.

 

I do not believe myself to be a scholar, nor an expert, just somebody who is informed. And Wikipedia is not at all the source from which I get my information.

 

Here is a paper (on US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health) that was published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology.

 

If you don't want to read it, here's an excerpt:

A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems. 

 

Here is another paper posted on the same scientific paper journal.

 

If you don't want to read it, here is an excerpt:

Classic psychedelic use may occasion lasting improvements in mental health

 

I am now presenting you with factual information from reliable sources that directly supports my belief.

 

Please explain to me how I am being naive, this is scientific research that I am linking you to. Please also read this article which gives some interesting insight into why the general opinion of society over stuff like this is so low.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 08:51 PM

This is intense hahaha I just don't like drugs, pots just enough for me
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:05 AM

I have a lot of addiction surrounding my life so I may drink wine sometimes and even shrooms twice but I won't ever do man made drugs with the exception of a pain killer here and there. I want to experience true emotions bad a good.
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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:24 AM

People and their drugs. I smoked weed ...when I was 16 trying to fit in. That was 15 years ago. People have been throwing dabs, edibles, brownies and orher types of drugs at me and I'm like NOPE.

I don't need help to have a good time, or escape. I'm completely comfortable with the reality and the way my brain perceives it.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 04:43 AM

Although on the other hand, there's nothing more fun than sitting with your mates at 2AM having bumped a gram of marching powder, a couple of hash joints and five-to-ten beers, discussing the inner machinations of the universe at 450WPM.  :lol:


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:12 AM

I just wanna know where Majestic is getting his regular supply of hallucinogens, cause they're so hard to find in the UK. I'm really really intrigued by acid and DMT, moreso the latter than the former, mostly because a 45 minute power high sounds more appealing to me than an eight hour one. :)
 
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They are not hard to find in the U.S. Never bought any, but I have heard you definitely need to know the right person. I'm with Cait on this. There is a reason some drugs are illegal. Never understood why marijuana was illegal though. It's one that is actually good for you. I guess maybe it's just to cut down on obesity.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:23 AM

OT: I've had enough trouble with over-the-counter medication. I've never touched any kind of illegal drug, and I have no plans to in the future. If you need to completely rewrite your mind in order to enjoy yourself, then I pity you.

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