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#1 ทหารราบ

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Posted 13 September 2015 - 11:49 PM

If the Big Bang happened almost ten billion years ago, then how has the universe survived for that long without collapsing? If the universe is slowly expanding from the time of the Big Bang, then why are there older galaxies towards the outer rim? Also, what is his religion? I have heard a mix between pantheism and atheism. Is he perhaps Buddhist?

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 12:23 AM

1. The universe has survived for that long without collapsing because the expansion is increasing at an exponential rate. The energy produced during the big bang is still being used in expansion.

2. Where are you getting your information that the older galaxies are in the outer rim? How could we even know where the outer rim is when we don't even know where the centre of the expansion is?

3.Hawking is a scientist, I don't care what his religion is.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:41 AM

I know nothing about science, but are there really scientist with religion ? How can they co-mingle them together
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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:32 AM

I know nothing about science, but are there really scientist with religion ? How can they co-mingle them together

Yeah, there are scientists who believe in a god and that the universe is created by that god. Usually to fit those two things together, they have to warp the entire history of the universe, for example saying that humans lived peacefully alongside the dinosaurs.



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Posted 14 September 2015 - 07:46 AM

I'm spiritualistic and a scientist. I don't think there's an issue with being both.
Energy changes constantly, it is never created nor destroyed, it's not beyond the possibility for energies to interact and have weird shit happen (quantum physics guys!)

So being a Buddhist or Hinduist isn't beyond reproach while being a scientist... also some aspects of paganism or wicca.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 08:59 AM

Stephen Hawking is wrong all the damn time.

Which is exactly the nature of science.

We are right until we or someone else proves us wrong, and from there we narrow the scope of understanding until we are as close to an actual truth as we can possibly get.

Until some new information comes to light and we start all over again.

Science is the art of being perpetually almost right.

 

As for religious scientists, why the hell not.

As long as actual science is performed who gives a shit what the scientist believes in the back of their mind.

Good, useful science has been accomplished by men who loathed Jews after all.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 09:18 AM

I didn't mean for this to get too far into a religious discussion. One third of scientists in the world believe in some form of God or Goddess. The other two thirds are mostly in the field of psychology. These galaxies I was previously posting about which are on the outer rim of the universe are not all the way to the end of the space time continuum. I was only speaking of the farthest galaxies that humans have discovered. I now also realise that there was already a thread similar to this one. I could have just posted there. I guess this one is slightly different though because it discusses both Stephen Hawking and religion specifically. What religion am I personally? I'm agnostic. I do think that Christianity could be a possibility though. I just think about the creation of the universe and what happens after death so often that I'm not so sure. I mean, no one was there at the creation of the universe, so every belief system is simply just that. A "belief".

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 03:49 PM

I mean, he's not wrong all the damn time, most of his theories form our fundamental understanding of space-time. I also believe religion has no place in science and that any scientist who believes in God, especially physicists and biologists, are going to have a warped belief of the universe, and that it makes them much less credible. All religion is a load of utter wank, every last shred of it.

 

 Where are you getting your information that the older galaxies are in the outer rim? How could we even know where the outer rim is when we don't even know where the centre of the expansion is?

 

I thought there was no centre? The whole thing about the expansion of the universe is that it isn't expanding from any one 'point', yes?


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:21 PM

I thought there was no centre? The whole thing about the expansion of the universe is that it isn't expanding from any one 'point', yes?

 

No... From all the theories that I've read universes begin at a crucial point in space as quantum universes (unless you subscribe to a particular multiverse theory that gets pretty freaky with quantum universes expanding in universes that were once quantum universes). There are and have been many scientists that have been looking for the nexus point in the beginning of the expansion because the centre point would tell cosmologists so much about the beginning of the universe.

 

There is a lot of speculation about this and it's so hard to pinpoint it down that it almost seems pointless at times. The biggest point to stress is that the universe is still expanding and the leading theory as to why the expansion is still happening is because of dark energy fueling the expansion.


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 07:06 PM

To get back on the subject of the man himself, what year did he become paralyzed?

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Posted 14 September 2015 - 10:13 PM

Birth, technically. He has Lou Gehrig's disease, which he was born with (I think?) though symptoms didn't show up until his 20s.


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Posted 15 September 2015 - 10:51 AM

Yeah. I knew he was paralyzed during his college years. I just didn't know what year. I find it interesting that he was able to visit space. A lot of people are under the impression that he is the smartest man alive. Even to the point of claiming that he is super-human. He makes mistakes just like everyone. Stephen wants us to believe that a nebulous set of theories, which cannot be confirmed through observational data, absolutely establishes that an infinite number of diverse universes exist, having been created from laws of physics that just happen to allow this. John Horgan, a fellow atheist, says that the popularity of M-theory is the result of it; stubborn refusal of enthusiasts to abandon their faith. Neither gravity nor any other law of physics provides a mechanism by which our universe can be spontaneously created. The question Hawking never answered was: why do those laws of physics exist? Although it is possible for things such as particles to pop into existence from nothing, it has never been shown that non-quantum-sized objects can perform such feats.

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 03:01 PM

To get back on the subject of the man himself, what year did he become paralyzed?

 

2019.


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Posted 17 September 2015 - 08:07 PM

I'm sorry. That has to be wrong. That year hasn't HAPPENED YET! Did you mean 1969?

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Posted 18 September 2015 - 12:29 AM

I'm sorry. That has to be wrong. That year hasn't HAPPENED YET! Did you mean 1969?

Noooope.

He is definitely a time traveler sent back to right some catastrophic wrong that we will do.

Unless he can fix it before we doom ourselves.


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Posted 28 September 2015 - 12:35 AM

Has anyone ever seen a speech that he made before he had the disease?

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 07:58 AM

The universe has survived long enough thanks to just the right amount of dark energy it contains, not less to let the gravity make it collapse inside, and not more to prevent the formation of galaxies, therefore life.

 

I assume he is an agnostic, but I might be wrong.