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#41 flcl_grim

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 04:45 PM

You cannot derail a discussion by simply ignoring the antithesis to your argument.  It is not about what people call themselves, because then we would have to consider Stalinists to be Communists (an extremely incorrect assumption).  The Feminist movement often--especially in modern times--wants to preserve the idea that being Male and Female involves a specific Essentialism, like racists, that furthers the sexist misunderstanding of Humanity.  Since many Feminists are post-modern thinkers, I would assume they would understand the importance of the movement's name on how people conceptualize it.

In order to change thoughts, you change words.  Communism stays pure because Leninists and Stalinists were never practicing Communism, and focused on having the state; others attempted to corrupt the very concept by enormous marketing campaigns against Communism, but the very name of it (and its source) separates from those bastardizations.  On the other hand, Feminism focuses on females, always focused on females, and, to this day, wants to drive a divide between males and females in order to attempt "equality."  Separate is never, has never, and will never be equal, and until feminists shrug off their sexist ways, they will not be able to truly transcend and understand the oppression they are helping to enforce.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 04:03 AM

I purposefully didn't engage because your argument is based entirely on a philosophy you have decided is unquestionable. You're more than welcome to believe all that, but a name is just a name to me, and if you think feminism is sexist then there is something fundamentally wrong with your outlook.


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#43 The Seldom Seen Kid

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 05:43 AM

If the KKK suddenly stopped being about White Supremacy and started being about racial equality, they would change their name.

When Feminism changed from a movement focused on Female-only "equality" (while actually being a middle-class based revolt for the sake of special interest in almost every case; see when the ERA was killed multiple times because of a radical feminist group's rider bill).

I don't know what you're going for here as you've literally fallen into the trap of the fallacy of false equivalence.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 07:18 PM

In order to claim false equivalence, you have to prove that one concept is significantly removed from the other.  You might be trying to pose my argument as a strawman, but it is merely one facet of the argument I presented--you cannot boil it down to "White Supremacy isn't equivalent to Feminism," because my argument has more substance than that.

However, I will still challenge your viewpoint.  White Supremacy and Feminism operate off of the same Identity Politics, attempting to achieve a certain goal by focusing on certain aspects of the "opposite" side.  Instead of advocating for equality on all bases, they separate themselves and intentionally restrict their thinking to work for their special interests.