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#1 Ninja_Vanished

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

   I've had a couple experiences with precognition, but I have nothing to back it up with. My first experience was when, for a week, had dreams, thoughts, and feelings plauge me. These things kept telling me my mother was going to die, and I especially became uneasy when she said she wasn't going to be there for my birthday (But that's because I was probably disappointed, like all kids would be). I suddenly felt extremely sad when she left, and had another dream about it. She died the next wednesday.

 

   Another one was when I had a whole difficult lesson in my sleep only to have the same exact lesson the morning I woke up.

 

   My next one was much more recent, and I can't stop obsessing about it. I had two dreams two months apart about the same guy. In one he was about 4 years younger, and the other one he was in a camo cloak and he was singing to me.  I went to a youth conference this weekend, and who did I see? I saw the same guy, and what did he do? He and I sat by the piano and he sang to me. He asked for ways to contact me, and he even hugged me. Now, who believes all this was real?

 

   Where is the evidence that precognition is real? Who believes it? I think I do, but that's because I have these types of dreams happen to me. Science says that the effect cannot come before the cause, but precognition does just that? Who else had these types of things happen to them?

 

   Let's make this a debate. Whoever wins gets a prize. NINJA VANISH.


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Posted 29 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

Science also claims that time is an illusion, what has happened will happen. We are just viewing things as they flow, reading the script that is our life. If destiny and fate exist, then perhaps there is some innate ability for us to glimpse it?

 

Probably not. I don't think so. People want to believe what they want. We see patterns in things, it's just how our brains are wired. It goes hand in hand with ghosts and magic in my book.

 

And you know who wins a debate? The ones who can argue and not hate each other. And probably Affray.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 02:39 AM

I've read up on some interesting theories on it, like how we could all have a slight, weal neurological connection that allows for such things. It goes way over my head though,


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:45 AM

Nope.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM

I'm disappointed in this debate. No one gets a prize, except for Khalkhyn Gol The Cat. I lied about the prize though.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:14 AM

No... it's not real to me. 



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 03:50 PM

Sorry, not buying it :/


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 01:15 PM

I'm just thinking if this is in the correct forum.. I mean nothing against magic but it's not science.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 08:59 PM

Well, when a statement is ended with "Now, who believes all this was real?", I am inclined to dismiss anything previously stated and move on with my day.

It shifts quickly from a recollection of events to a storytelling when the wording is placed the way you have yours.

 

As far as actual factual precognition goes, I don't think it is reality.

At least not in the sense that the writers of the world portray it.

Precognitive experiences fall more in the science fiction realm for me I am afraid.

From what I have gathered about the way time works I would say that we are capable of appearing to see things before they happen at times, when in reality we are just experiencing a momentary jump in our perception of the world.

 

We are perpetually living in the past, in a sense.

Say a ball is thrown at you and you react by reaching out with your arm and catching it.

The moment the ball is flung at you there is a time delay between when the event occurs and when your brain recognises that it is moving toward you.

That very tiny time delay between an event occurring, light bouncing off the event then back to your eyes, then that information being processed through your optic nerves in to your brain, then your brain making the decision to do something about the event, then the electric impulse being sent back through your nervous system and making your limbs/facial features/heart rate perform an action suggests that we are in fact existing a fraction of a second in the past. An event is already ahead of where we perceive it to be before we react in any way shape or form. So I think that when someone performs an amazing feat of reflexes, or dodges a punch almost before it is thrown, or has the apparently precognitive instinct to halt before walking in front of a bus, they are just experiencing a momentary jump forward in perception to the time in which the even is actually occurring, not when the rest of us perceive it to be.

 

Seeing days or months ahead, or witnessing events before they occur don't pan out for me.

If people had the ability to preconceive such things then there would be more proof of it, especially in today's world of seemingly impossible connectivity.

There would be blogs or forum threads warning of disasters, or predicting who will become president next and what their speech will include.

It is far more likely that people who think they have seen future events before they happened/met people that they dreamed about before ever meeting (as in your example) are just assigning meaning to past events in order to intensify the significance of present events.

I do not think that is an intentional choice, but a subconscious reflex that we have little control over.

We have a million little notions and predictive thoughts every day about every little thing and think nothing of it when they don't come to fruition.

But as soon as something happens and we remember being suspicious that that event may have panned out something like it just did, our lizard brain thinks "Holy shit! I totally saw this before it happened! I must have somehow glimpsed the future!"

 

Dreams are also a terribly unreliable source to draw from in recollection.

A vast majority of people forget what their dreams were even about within a minute of waking up, which sort of makes the potential for recalling the subject, let alone the specifics (such as what a person looks like) seem very far fetched.

Which lends to what I said before about present events being assigned significance by slightly supportive notions from the past.

An event happens and you experience some deja vu, so your brain reels back to try and figure out if a similar event has already been experienced and picks up on a similar feeling or notion you had in a dream or at some other time when confronted with some other event and overlaps them in your mind.

 

So I do not believe that we have the ability to see the future, but we do have a great many kinks in our perception of the world around us that our brain is constantly trying to rationalise and assign understanding to. Constantly playing catch up.

 

That being said, I do actually have an instance of my own where I seemingly dreamed a future event.

A handful of years ago my great-grandma died due to a few massive strokes within a few weeks.

After the first stroke my family stayed at her house to look after the place and be in the city where she was hospitalised.

After a few weeks she had a second stroke in the hospital and was essentially fading away.

My parents went to the hospital for a visit the night she died and left me and my sisters at the house.

Around one in the morning I woke up out of nowhere, already sitting up on the couch I was sleeping on and for some reason felt panicked.

While I was trying to fall back asleep I had bits and flecks of the dream come back to me and it involved my grandma in a hospital bed with my mom and dad beside her, then she disappeared from the bed like a mirage and that was it.

When my parents came home in the morning I half woke up as they opened the door (because I always, always wake up when someone enters the room I am sleeping in).

My mom walked over to the couch and said "Hey, grandma Fed died last night at two in the morning.", and I mumbled "Yeah, I know." and went back to sleep.

The night she died was the only night my dad ever went in to her room, he refused to believe she wouldn't recover and didn't want to remember her in her current state.

 

That, is more than enough to convince most people that at the very least some weird shit went down.

Though I do not believe I saw the future, merely experienced a strange series of coincidences that line of very nicely to suggest I had.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 09:10 PM

I'm just thinking if this is in the correct forum.. I mean nothing against magic but it's not science.

 

It is only if a systematic approach is taken to dismiss or prove it.

 

 

That being said, I do actually have an instance of my own where I seemingly dreamed a future event.

A handful of years ago my great-grandma died due to a few massive strokes within a few weeks.

After the first stroke my family stayed at her house to look after the place and be in the city where she was hospitalised.

After a few weeks she had a second stroke in the hospital and was essentially fading away.

My parents went to the hospital for a visit the night she died and left me and my sisters at the house.

Around one in the morning I woke up out of nowhere, already sitting up on the couch I was sleeping on and for some reason felt panicked.

While I was trying to fall back asleep I had bits and flecks of the dream come back to me and it involved my grandma in a hospital bed with my mom and dad beside her, then she disappeared from the bed like a mirage and that was it.

When my parents came home in the morning I half woke up as they opened the door (because I always, always wake up when someone enters the room I am sleeping in).

My mom walked over to the couch and said "Hey, grandma Fed died last night at two in the morning.", and I mumbled "Yeah, I know." and went back to sleep.

The night she died was the only night my dad ever went in to her room, he refused to believe she wouldn't recover and didn't want to remember her in her current state.

 

That, is more than enough to convince most people that at the very least some weird shit went down.

Though I do not believe I saw the future, merely experienced a strange series of coincidences that line of very nicely to suggest I had.

 

 

This is pretty close to a story a friend of mine tells every time a supernatural topic is brought up, ghosts, angels, ect . He, a kid, seeing his grandmother die. But he adamantly believes he has powers of some sort. If anyone tries to say otherwise, he hits the ceiling. It's nice you can take an objective look at things.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 09:34 PM

This is pretty close to a story a friend of mine tells every time a supernatural topic is brought up, ghosts, angels, ect . He, a kid, seeing his grandmother die. But he adamantly believes he has powers of some sort. If anyone tries to say otherwise, he hits the ceiling. It's nice you can take an objective look at things.

We are only as mature and intelligent as our reactions to things we cannot immediately explain.

I am a sceptic until there is sufficient evidence to convince me one way or the other in any scenario.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 10:24 PM

The only real evidence of precognition is anecdotal. However, I believe I have experienced it in the past. Generally very small things though. One example would be a dream I had that involved me sitting at a chair I don't usually sit in, in my living room, reading a rather thick book. Fast-forward about a year, and I'm sitting in that chair, reading a thick book about drawing. And then it hit me that I'd seen this before.

 

Various other events have turned out the same way for me, so I'm inclined to believe in precognition. It's just not in the way a lot of people think of it as. It's not fortune-telling, it's not a pure ability to see into the future at any time you like. It's rare. Basically, deja vu. You don't realise it until it happens.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 08:58 AM

Newtonian physics allows for the concept of precognition - it's has theories that have pre-deterministic concepts that could tell you where and when subatomic particles will be and therefor you could determine what happens in the macro scale.

 

The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal completely demolishes this concept

 

That being said, with the law of large numbers taken into account, It's not entirely impossible for people to have "precognitive" scenarios played out in their heads or dreams. It's just in these circumstances the statistical odds of having the scenario play out in your subconscious and then played out in reality is rare.

The phenomena of circumstance doesn't put me off from thinking there is a possibility for such things to happen. Scientific inquiry changes constantly, in 20 years time this particular Newtonian theory could be proven absolute and the Uncertainty Principal is therefor invalid (however unlikely such a scenario is, but it's happened before).


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 09:10 AM

That being said, with the law of large numbers taken into account, It's not entirely impossible for people to have "precognitive" scenarios played out in their heads or dreams. It's just in these circumstances the statistical odds of having the scenario play out in your subconscious and then played out in reality is rare.

 

Isn't this just the law of chance though? I.e. eventually there is a fairly high statistical chance you will think or dream of something similar to something that occurs in real life, and then people simply mistake that for precognition?


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 01:25 PM

Isn't this just the law of chance though? I.e. eventually there is a fairly high statistical chance you will think or dream of something similar to something that occurs in real life, and then people simply mistake that for precognition?

 

You have just described exactly what this supposed phenomenon is. Humans are programed to see pattens, rabbits on the moon, a face on Mars, and in our lives.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 05:27 PM

Isn't this just the law of chance though? I.e. eventually there is a fairly high statistical chance you will think or dream of something similar to something that occurs in real life, and then people simply mistake that for precognition?

 

In essence, yes, but you could see it as a form of precognition, just not traditional precognition.

 

As Danico said, humans are programmed to see patterns... Or at least they are programmed to search for them. Postulating a scenario to happen and it does, can still be seen as precognition, it's would just depend on the statistical chance of it.

Now I have the precognitive notion that one of my cats will sit at her food bowl at 6pm tonight and mew loudly at me. Because I know most of the patterns that will lead to this, I can predict this is going to happen at exactly 6pm.

 

I could also state that today I will get a flower from a stranger... But I don't understand/haven't observed/don't know the patterns that would lead to this happening... So I'm fairly sure it wont and it's a little difficult to say if I did because there is pure randomness in the universe. But even with entropy, patterns tend to emerge and you are able to make predictions.


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Posted 01 August 2014 - 06:13 PM

This reminds me of the most recent Vsauce/ Veritasium videos...


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 07:53 PM

I have dreams like that and they still haunt me. I'm afraid of locking doors and being mmean to my friends. I had dream where I was the grim reaper and I sniped my best friend in the head. And soon after I had I dream I was washing my hands after using the bathroom and someone kept rattling on the door. I told them to stop and leave me alone. But they kept banging on the door so I tried to open the door to tell them to piss off when the door wouldnt open. I looked down at the handle and the lock part was on the other side. I was locked in.
And I stood there.
Frozen.
Like a book held up on it's spine, I was only placed to see how long i could stand.
And in his eyes, I'd obviously stood too long. So he knocked me down himself.

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 01:43 AM

Did you register an account to reply to a single topic from half a year ago? Really?


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Posted 28 January 2015 - 09:50 AM

This is not science but I Thing precognition is real. Have similar experience. Perhaps are mind as dark matter and we can't prove.

Perhaps we see it after the life, when our Souls lives on.