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#1 Kicts

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:19 PM

First post so bare with me,

 

A few years back i had saved up £600 and went off hopping to PC-world, Wanting a gaming Pc for WoW ect, Ending up finding the perfect thing for 15 year old me and wanting to buy it, however the PC-world salesman had baisically told me that the pc i wanted wasn't worth the money and i should definitely buy myself this Advent firefly (micro Pc) and a screen, He told me that id be fine to come in a few weeks and buy myself some upgraded components so it sounded all good, anyways when i got home and i had spoken to some professionals i was told that:

 

A: i had been sold a Pc that is pretty much a terrible Family computer

B: Is barely up-gradable and if you do upgrade it ill have to buy Micro hardware

C:That PC-Wolrd salesmen in my area get extra commission on Advent gear, which ultimately means that he took me away from a PC which id of loved and been able to upgrade, and stuck me with a terrible family computer which i can barely get 40 FPS on league of legends...

 

So in turn im looking for anyone who can help me by suggesting a Micro Graphics card that is capable of atleast running: counter strike Go, Rust, And LoL.

 

Im unsure of what my mobo is.

 

And my price range is anywhere below £150 (if you can even find micro Graphics cards for such a price...

 

Thanks alot - Kicts.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 02:20 PM

Open it up and you'll see everything is rather snug inside; Advent has used every inch of the available space. The 250W power supply sits at the foot of the chassis, beneath a microATX Foxconn motherboard, while a stock Intel cooler sits atop the CPU. No expansion cards are installed as standard, but there are PCI Express x16 and x1 slots free should you want to add a graphics card or TV tuner. However, the single RAM slot is filled, so there isn't much scope for boosting performance.

Read more: Advent Firefly FP9004 review | PC Pro http://www.pcpro.co....4#ixzz2uMp1xxDV

 

 

I would look for a PCI Express 16x Video card, that doesnt need more than a 250 watt power supply... thats about the limit you'll be able to go with.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 02:21 PM

Also, if you only have 2GB of DDR memory in the single slot, you may want to get a larger stick of ram. 4GB minimum



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 02:29 PM

Looks like you'll be restricted to the "Low Profile" video cards, and this is the 'nicest' one i can find on newegg: 

 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814129156

 

I don't know much about the games you want to play, or what their requirements are.  But I doubt this video card will give you the results you want.

 

Unfortunately it looks like you were talked into buying something that wasn't at all what you needed.  Basically tricked/taken advantage of.

 

I would attempt to return the PC as soon as possible.  If you have an issue, ask to speak with the person's manager, explain that you were misled and that this PC does not include the required hardware for your needs.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 03:30 PM

Out of curiosity, i came across this low profile video card: http://www.newegg.co...D=1umi2vdpwefzi

 

however, it requires a 400 W power supply.. so then you'll need to upgrade that as well. 

 

It would be best to return the PC if possible.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:17 PM

to be fair if you bought any pc that comes ready you are pretty much being jipped. Buying it in pieces gives you a better deal, though it can be hard to restrict yourself to your price range >.>. 

 

Also small computer cases are trash. No room inside and they tend to have heating issues due to the small space and generally only 1 fan.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:07 AM

First of all, the original card you linked is just standard pci, way out dated and not worth buying at all.

 

The second one doesn't need a 400w power supply, they stick numbers on there to make people shy away from the cheep and poorly built power supplies. Any card that uses a PCIe slot without an extra power connector can use a maximum of 75w. A 7750 comes in well under that, with a max load of around 50w.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:38 AM

First of all, the original card you linked is just standard pci, way out dated and not worth buying at all.

 

The second one doesn't need a 400w power supply, they stick numbers on there to make people shy away from the cheep and poorly built power supplies. Any card that uses a PCIe slot without an extra power connector can use a maximum of 75w. A 7750 comes in well under that, with a max load of around 50w.

 

 

You are correct.  I was using the Newegg "power search" to find a card that was low profile AND pcie 2.0.  I was mucking with the search keywords to include a power supply rating equivalent to that of the Advent Firefly pc, and the form must of reset the criteria at some point.  (I thought the card itself looked a little thin)

 

 

 

Now I am curious, because I have always used the recommended specs...

 

The AMD site recommends using a higher power supply because generally, the low end power supply included with most desktops are designed to support the existing components, (CPU, RAM, HD, Fans, Optical Drive, USB, etc.  When you consider the fact that this is a 'micro pc' and the PS has even less power (250 Watts) than some of your cheaper ATX systems, the extra 75 Watts might just be enough to reduce it's average lifespan or actually overload it.

 

 

 

HDD - 10W

CPU - 65W

CDROM - 25W

RAM - 3W

USB - 2W

FAN - Maybe 10W???

Mobo (By itself) - No idea, Chipset maybe uses some?

pcie2 - 75 W
Other PCI Slot - (Currently Empty)

 

Puts it at just around 190-200 W, which is an ideal load of ~76% - 80% on a 250W PS.  However, I believe that is cutting it close, since those numbers are just estimates, anything not considered or that may draw more wattage could really push the PS up to a 90% load, which probably isn't ideal, right?



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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:55 AM

Firstly, there's a big difference between maximum and average. a 65w CPU will rarely run that high. 

10w is pretty high for a hard drive. 7200rpm drives are closer to 8w.

A dvd drive may use 25w when it's burning, but in that case, your video card probably won't be sucking up 75w anyways.

 

ram and usb are about right. 10w would be a hell of a big fan, think less than 5.

Motherboard power consumption is a difficult one, it varies pretty widely. 

 

Most power supplies will run most efficiently at 80% load, and are expected to be able to run 90%+ without a measurable loss of life. 

Also, surprisingly, most OEM power supplies are built pretty well. 


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 02:42 PM

Firstly, there's a big difference between maximum and average. a 65w CPU will rarely run that high. 

10w is pretty high for a hard drive. 7200rpm drives are closer to 8w.

A dvd drive may use 25w when it's burning, but in that case, your video card probably won't be sucking up 75w anyways.

 

ram and usb are about right. 10w would be a hell of a big fan, think less than 5.

Motherboard power consumption is a difficult one, it varies pretty widely. 

 

Most power supplies will run most efficiently at 80% load, and are expected to be able to run 90%+ without a measurable loss of life. 

Also, surprisingly, most OEM power supplies are built pretty well. 

 

Good stuff to know.