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#21 Calvary

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:18 AM

Exactly, again, it comes down to what makes you happy. Health and happiness are often linked inextricably, but being bigger doesn't always mean you're unhealthy. I'm all for body acceptance of any size. In fact I'd say I'm of an average build. My BMI is pretty much smack bang in the middle, I have a jot of lean muscle that's fairly toned too. With that being said, I'm not as healthy/fit as I should be. Until I started my job at a warehouse (which is basically walking around all day and lifting heavy packages) I was very unfit, couldn't run very far without getting short of breath and I still drink regularly, probably on the border of what is considered healthy. Even now I imagine I can't do much cardio, despite the fact that I look healthy.

 

Until I was about 13 or 14 I was pretty chubby, always one of the heaviest in class. Despite that, I ate healthily, did regular exercise, played rugby on weekends, ran about for an hour or two everyday weather permitting. I was probably a little healthier then than I was through my middle teens even though then I probably didn't look as healthy as I do now.


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Posted 02 September 2013 - 04:25 AM

There is also the whole thing of people with a bad thyroid.
That being said, not all overweight people have a bad thyroid.
My problem is motivation. I know I am not clinically obese, but I know that I am a bit heavy.
And I know I am more prone to obesity.
(I did the 23&me thing and it showed that I am genetically more inclined that way.)
But as for hating on people?
Too old for that.
It does piss me off that obesity affects insurance rates.
But then if the powers that be really cared about things, they would cut the rates by denying them insurance.
Just as they would deny insurance to repeat DUI offenders, thereby keeping them from being licensed and then jailing them for driving without a license.
But no, they make more money by hiking up everyone's insurance rates.
Meh.
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#23 MrSandman

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:07 PM

I don't care, as long as they don't complain. Nothing worse than a fat person who complain about they being fat and that its not thier fault they are fat. I myself like to train, and staying fit has made me feel alot better, I don't get as tired, I feel alot stronger and well more healthy.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 06:56 PM

Simply a reply to the OP (as I dont have the time to read the whole thread yet):

Oh fuckin can it. Give me one good reason why people shouldn't be comfortable in their bodies? Name one. Name fuckin one. Even if you bring up how much of a health concern it is, it still makes you prejudice because their health is none of your concern. I for one love the curvier and larger women. I mean, they're still people too, ya know. I mean, sure, I have a bit of a gut, but I also enjoy eating "like a fat kid" as I often put it to my friends, just simply because it amuses me. At the end of the day, people who are proud to be fat are more comfortable int heir skin than you are.



#25 Affray

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 09:53 PM

At the end of the day, people who are proud to be fat are more comfortable int heir skin than you are.

I disagree.

Adopting a "Whatever, fuck you" attitude when any attention is drawn to the fact that someone is overweight is not being comfortable in your own skin.

The vast majority of people who are overweight are that way for no medical reason, and those people have no more reason to be proud of the punishment they are putting their body through than people who smoke a pack a day or are drunk every waking moment of their lives.

 

I think the original point with this thread was that it is annoying, and downright silly, that people who are morbidly obese are being praised for accomplishing nothing more than being morbidly obese. This of course does not apply to every scenario, but it is a very popular thing in the internet.

 

Just so people know, I am not the skinniest guy currently.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 07:59 AM

Simply a reply to the OP (as I dont have the time to read the whole thread yet):

Oh fuckin can it. Give me one good reason why people shouldn't be comfortable in their bodies? Name one. Name fuckin one. Even if you bring up how much of a health concern it is, it still makes you prejudice because their health is none of your concern. I for one love the curvier and larger women. I mean, they're still people too, ya know. I mean, sure, I have a bit of a gut, but I also enjoy eating "like a fat kid" as I often put it to my friends, just simply because it amuses me. At the end of the day, people who are proud to be fat are more comfortable int heir skin than you are.

There's a big (ha) difference between being comfortable in your own body, and being on state benefits and registered disabled because you don't have the intelligence or willpower to put down the fuckin' pie. I love the fact you've got your balls in a knot over me being judgmental, and then in the same paragraph judge me for my thoughts. It's great. Put simply, compare someone who is fat because they eat too much, to someone who is thin because they don't eat. At their core, neither one is a medical issue in itself. Being underweight is unhealthy, being overweight is unhealthy. But there's this stigma where giving advice regarding body size is completely hated, and I don't understand the reason why. If you eat Burger King 7 days a week and supplement it with TV dinners and cheap ready-meals, unless you do a lot of exercise you're going to be fat. If you do all this and don't exercise, the person at fault for the health problems arising from your weight is you. And yet people think it's acceptable to encourage that behaviour because "fuck the haters"? How about fuck the enablers instead.

 

Affray hit it on the head. There's a difference between being overweight because of prior medical conditions, and being overweight because you're a lazy shit with an appetite for McDonalds. However, even with other medical conditions there are things you can do to lessen the amount of weight you put on. Have a bad example because I feel lazy.

 

I suffer from regional enteritis, or Crohn's disease. It gives me the opposite problem; I struggle to put on weight. I am underweight still, but I used to be a lot worse. Despite my medical condition, I make myself put on weight because it's healthier than the alternative. Now flip that to someone who has a medical issue that makes it hard to lose weight. Should they try to lose weight in order to be healthy and give themselves a better chance at life, or should they just grow fat because they're "beautiful as they are"?

 

The problem that a lot of people miss when dealing with this, is they believe it is all about appearance. Being happy or unhappy with the way you look, being happy or unhappy with the way other people perceive you, wanting to look a certain way for certain people, etc etc etc. It's not. Appearance is an aspect of it, but the core issue is the amount of health problems that stem from being fat. And in addition to that, the extra money spent looking after these people if and when they reach a point where they can no longer climb the stairs, or get out of bed, or walk, or shower without help. If they need to be taken to hospital they need special equipment to be brought in order to get them into the ambulance, hoists, super-strengthened wheelchairs, strengthened stretchers. When they get to hospital they need more people to lift them into bed, they need a reinforced bed, etc. EVERYTHING gets supersized, and their weight poses a direct problem for any medical professional involved.

 

I often see people berating drug-users, claiming that the medical profession shouldn't waste money helping them because they bring their problems upon themselves. Honestly, I agree. However, I feel the same about the clinically obese. 

 

And, Sushi is right too. Tumblr is a fucking cesspit for things like this. White Knights all over the place, even when they're trying to defend something absolutely moronic.


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#27 Affray

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 10:50 AM

I will also add that often times people who are very poor are obese because the cheapest foods to buy are usually fast food and pop.

It is hard to eat healthy when you can't afford anything more than a $5 value meal for dinner.

However, they sort of sidestep this whole thing because they aren't usually the ones who are proud and outgoing about anything that they are.


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Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:22 PM

At their core, neither one is a medical issue in itself. Being underweight is unhealthy, being overweight is unhealthy.

 

For the most part, you are correct. But this statement is so wrong I have to comment on it.

At their core they are a medical issue.
It is a preventative medical issue


There are three components to health care; Primary(illness prevention), Secondairy(restoration on health) and Tertiary(facilitation with death and disability)
 

Any healthcare professional would be looking at a persons weight to determine how healthy they are, it's actually part of the process when assessing a person's health - If they look healthy, it's likely they're healthy.


Generally overweight and underweight people fall under the catagory of Primary prevention but in the cases where they are so big they can't move, depending on the situation it could be Secondary or Tertiary.

In the case of Primary intervention in regards to obesity, it's more than simply saying "Stop eating that pie, you lard-ass". There are social, economical, psychological, physical and emotional factors that are always in play for everyone. It simply isn't just will power and it more complicated than telling someone to get on a bike and ride. I know all of you would agree that exercise in itself is hard, let alone having to do it to lose 50kg... or even more.

Being obese or underweight is a medical issue, just not a disability one.


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Posted 04 September 2013 - 07:53 PM

everyone i know doesnt want to be fat

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:30 AM

And now for the weather...


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:37 AM

And now for the weather...

Cloudy, with a chance of heart failure.


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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:50 PM

There's chubby, fat, and then obese. 

 

While I agree a lot of it is plain laziness, sometimes people just get caught up in life and not think twice about their weight fluctuations.

 

Either or, no need to insult or assault people over it. 



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 08:44 PM

And now for the weather...

 

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What's with all the serious conversations lately? What happened to random boob and penis jokes? Where's Rob and Kris to derail these things? Hit the Wolf signal!


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#34 Affray

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 10:13 PM

There's chubby, fat, and then obese. 

 

While I agree a lot of it is plain laziness, sometimes people just get caught up in life and not think twice about their weight fluctuations.

 

Either or, no need to insult or assault people over it. 

Well hello there random cat person.

Quite the choice to make your debut post.

 

If someone is unfit, for any reason, most people leave them be.

We are mostly referring to the people that are way beyond large and act like they are hot shit, and the people who promote blind support for said people's physical girth.


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#35 Champion of Cyrodiil

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:16 AM

you can also be fat on the inside.  very common with people who 'eat healthy' and NEVER exercise.  Common issues include heart failure, diabetes, etc.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:56 PM

That ^ is mostly my problem.


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Posted 07 September 2013 - 05:42 AM

What's with all the serious conversations lately? What happened to random boob and penis jokes? Where's Rob and Kris to derail these things? Hit the Wolf signal!

 

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:37 PM

Placenta!

 

 

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 06:12 PM

Placenta!

 

 

...Am I doing it wrong?

Or horribly right...


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