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#1 Calvary

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

Do we have any members living in the area?

 

Fucking hell, I hope the American government catches whoever it is that created this disgusting plan so that they can get 100 fucking life sentences.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:17 PM

Well, at least the runners went out with a bang?


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 09:53 PM

I live a half hour by train from Boston. It's abosultely scary. I saw schrapnel from the blast get a runner in the leg in one of the videos. I was not in Boston when it happened (hell I haven't been in the city in months), but I have a cousin who works not far from where the explosion took place, and she said she felt the explosion, but she's ok. There's 3 dead (including an 8 year old child), and 140 injured (many with missing limbs). At the time of this posting (close to midnight local time), I still don't know if they have a suspect, as there's been conflicting reports mainly sprouting from the NY Times that there has been someone in custody, and from the Boston PD saying otherwise.

 

IDK, don't take this the wrong way or anything, but uh.....fuck off dude.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 07:27 AM

I wasn't there, but as someone who participates in big running events (mud runs, for me), this hit pretty close to home.  I wore my Tough Mudder shirt to work today as a sign of support.  I wish I could do more.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:19 AM

Absolutely awful. Days like yesterday make me thankful for my family and friends. 

 

What annoys me though is all the fear mongering going around. There were rumors of bombs in New York, and many other bombs in Boston, rumors of people getting arrested. Many people were blaming other ethnicities and countries when no one knows what happened. The news stations are broadcasting this 24/7 when there hasn't been much new information in a while. It's scaring people. The worst is this is exactly what the culprit wanted, media attention and public fear.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:06 AM

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that so many athletes were just permanently crippled. And I cannot see a reason why someone would target that particular group of people unless it was just about targeting a publicized event.


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that so many athletes were just permanently crippled. And I cannot see a reason why someone would target that particular group of people unless it was just about targeting a publicized event.

I know, it seems strange that someone would target athletes. It must have been because it was a publicized event.

 

It's horribly sad. These people train for months on end to participate in this run in particular and now someone has ruined it. If they even decide to keep doing the Boston marathon, it will never be the same. I enjoy running just to let off steam, but these people were so passionate about it and now they may never be able to run again.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 12:41 PM

The run is held on the anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord, the start of the Revolutionary war, but I doubt there is that much of a connection there. There were people gathered, so they were attacked.

 

I heard the 8 year old kid's sister was hit too, she's probably going to have some things amputated, their mom is in critical condition. A 5 year old was hurt too.

 

It's horribly sad. These people train for months on end to participate in this run in particular and now someone has ruined it. If they even decide to keep doing the Boston marathon, it will never be the same. I enjoy running just to let off steam, but these people were so passionate about it and now they may never be able to run again.

 

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

The bombs were placed in with the fans, so the blasts mainly got them. I'd say that part is even worse.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 01:30 PM

The thing that bugs me the most about this is that so many athletes were just permanently crippled. And I cannot see a reason why someone would target that particular group of people unless it was just about targeting a publicized event.

What better way to demoralize people than to attack their heroes?


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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

Reading some of the comments throughout the Net about this, commenters have said some pretty dickish things. One of the most dickish comments I read was someone accussing the America's of being a terrorists and that they deserved it. The comment came from one who has caused more harm to their own people than anyone else ever has.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

Reading some of the comments throughout the Net about this, commenters have said some pretty dickish things. One of the most dickish comments I read was someone accussing the America's of being a terrorists and that they deserved it. The comment came from one who has caused more harm to their own people than anyone else ever has.

Honestly, it's not a completely invalid point. America is one of the most violent countries in the world, and since 1945 have been a part of over 50 different attacks on foreign governments/countries.

 

I disagree with attacking civilians, but honestly... the US has done far worse, so it would be hypocritical for me to think it's alright.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:43 AM

You say 'the US' has done worse. The 'US' is just a noun. The US is a country, a country of over 500 million people. The average American has not done 'far worse' so the average American does not deserve to have his or her legs blown off as some sort of morbid justification. Politicians have done far worse but then so have many politicians in almost every country across the world.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:16 AM

Well, let me provide an example. The Iraq war went from 2003 to 2011, which is when the US military pulled out. In that time, 120,000+ civilians were killed as a result of American military action. Did those civilians do far worse things than the soldiers and freedom fighters who fought and killed American troops? No they didn't. They were still killed.

 

When the United States bombed Hiroshima, approx. 70,000 people died immediately. By the end of 1945 approximately 166,000 people had died from the effects of the bombing. Between 1950 and 2000, 46% of deaths from leukemia and 11% of deaths from cancer were the direct result of radiation from the bombing.

 

Like I said, I disagree with attacking civilians. However, I can't sit by and watch people throw attention all over it as if it's the most terrible thing to ever happen.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:59 AM

Well, let me provide an example. The Iraq war went from 2003 to 2011, which is when the US military pulled out. In that time, 120,000+ civilians were killed as a result of American military action. Did those civilians do far worse things than the soldiers and freedom fighters who fought and killed American troops? No they didn't. They were still killed.

 

When the United States bombed Hiroshima, approx. 70,000 people died immediately. By the end of 1945 approximately 166,000 people had died from the effects of the bombing. Between 1950 and 2000, 46% of deaths from leukemia and 11% of deaths from cancer were the direct result of radiation from the bombing.

 

Like I said, I disagree with attacking civilians. However, I can't sit by and watch people throw attention all over it as if it's the most terrible thing to ever happen.

 

Where are you pulling that 120k+ figure from? The IBC project (which is the closest to your 120k+ mark) includes casualty by insurgent, sectarian violence and criminal violence.

 

As far as the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it saved countless more lives than it took. You can claim these are innocent lives, but what would you consider a draftee? How about the Koreans that the Japanese enslaved into military service?

 

Even so, simply because worse things have happened does not demerit the attention something else receives. I mean, there are people around the world starving to death, who have health problems so terrible most of us can't even begin to imagine what it's like and I have no doubt you've at one point complained about having a bad day or a problem that pales in comparison to what others experience.

 

Just because worse things have happened and are going to happen doesn't make any other event any less awful/tragic.

 

* Just to be clear so I don't come across bias, I am not patriotic and am fairly indifferent towards my country. I probably sound like a terrible person but because I don't know anyone who was a part of the Boston bombing I don't feel much of anything regarding it. My sympathies to the families but on a personal level I'm completely disassociated from it.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

Where are you pulling that 120k+ figure from? The IBC project (which is the closest to your 120k+ mark) includes casualty by insurgent, sectarian violence and criminal violence.

 

As far as the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it saved countless more lives than it took. You can claim these are innocent lives, but what would you consider a draftee? How about the Koreans that the Japanese enslaved into military service?

 

Even so, simply because worse things have happened does not demerit the attention something else receives. I mean, there are people around the world starving to death, who have health problems so terrible most of us can't even begin to imagine what it's like and I have no doubt you've at one point complained about having a bad day or a problem that pales in comparison to what others experience.

 

Just because worse things have happened and are going to happen doesn't make any other event any less awful/tragic.

 

* Just to be clear so I don't come across bias, I am not patriotic and am fairly indifferent towards my country. I probably sound like a terrible person but because I don't know anyone who was a part of the Boston bombing I don't feel much of anything regarding it. My sympathies to the families but on a personal level I'm completely disassociated from it.

An independent UK/US group, the IBC project compiles reported Iraqi civilian deaths resulting from the invasion and occupation, including those caused directly by coalition military action, the Iraqi insurgency, and those resulting from excess crime. The IBC maintains that the occupying authority has a responsibility to prevent these deaths under international law.

The Iraq Body Count project (IBC project), incorporating subsequent reports, has reported that by the end of the major combat phase up to April 30, 2003, 7,419 civilians had been killed, primarily by U.S. air-and-ground forces.[16][81]

It shows a total range of at least 110,591 to 120,816 civilian deaths in the whole conflict as of December 12, 2012

 

It's from Wiki but yeah. That's where I got 120k from. I realise Hiroshima also saved lives, I just don't think it was the right way of doing it. I believe the minute one non-military person is harmed through war, that's the point it goes too far. I just wish people could talk about things, as opposed to settling it with guns, bombs etc. which don't just harm other people, but the environment as well.

 

My main reason for not really caring about this terrorist attack is that I'd wager a lot of people showering attention on it wouldn't do the same if it were in say, Sierra Leone. Since I'm not American it doesn't affect me. 9/11 didn't affect me, even the 7/7 London bombings didn't directly affect me, as a result I didn't care much. Yes terrorist attacks are awful, I just don't care enough because there are arguably more important things to worry about. My caring about the victims won't help anyone, my sympathy won't help their families sleep at night. It won't feed the children who lost their parents to it, it won't pay their medical bills, funeral costs, etc.

 

I just think that sadly, this will end up turning into some kind of publicity stunt used by the US government and the US people, a way to justify some war somewhere, or some violence towards someone who shares the same skin colour of the ones who committed this act of terrorism.

 

I don't think you come across as a terrible person. It's just a level way of looking at it. 


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

No, I'm the same. Even after it happened I was able to go about my day unburdened because it didn't affect me personally. It doesn't make you terrible, just human. It saddens and disgusts me, and perhaps if you didn't feel at least that much you'd be terrible.

 

I don't care what country you're from, a death is a tragedy. More so when it's an innocent child. 


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:46 PM

I think it's a shock for most people though, more so than it is upsetting (not to say it isn't upsetting). Arguably, America is the safest country in the world in terms of defence against foreign terrorism. If the attack turns out to be from an international community then it creates new fear that the strongest country in the world is not invincible and cannot protect its citizens from the threat of international attacks.

 

If it's an internal attack...that's a whole other kettle of fish and inherently just as bad and equally as worrying.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

Where are you pulling that 120k+ figure from? The IBC project (which is the closest to your 120k+ mark) includes casualty by insurgent, sectarian violence and criminal violence.

 

As far as the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, it saved countless more lives than it took. You can claim these are innocent lives, but what would you consider a draftee? How about the Koreans that the Japanese enslaved into military service?

 

Even so, simply because worse things have happened does not demerit the attention something else receives. I mean, there are people around the world starving to death, who have health problems so terrible most of us can't even begin to imagine what it's like and I have no doubt you've at one point complained about having a bad day or a problem that pales in comparison to what others experience.

 

Just because worse things have happened and are going to happen doesn't make any other event any less awful/tragic.

 

* Just to be clear so I don't come across bias, I am not patriotic and am fairly indifferent towards my country. I probably sound like a terrible person but because I don't know anyone who was a part of the Boston bombing I don't feel much of anything regarding it. My sympathies to the families but on a personal level I'm completely disassociated from it.

America was important factor for the ww2 to end. But Nagasaki and hiroshima that was just really really wrong. Sure the war ended but it would have ended anyway the japanese where pushed back pretty bad. So I think that attack was brutal and one of the worst ever, very inhuman. I think it was not only to end the war, I think it was that America wanted to show the world what they where capable of and show that no one should mess with em. But hey the past is the past and we can only learn from it.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

America was important factor for the ww2 to end. But Nagasaki and hiroshima that was just really really wrong. Sure the war ended but it would have ended anyway the japanese where pushed back pretty bad. So I think that attack was brutal and one of the worst ever, very inhuman. I think it was not only to end the war, I think it was that America wanted to show the world what they where capable of and show that no one should mess with em. But hey the past is the past and we can only learn from it.

To say that America wanted to show its power is an incredibly brash statement. Historically, including through WWII, Japan followed a no-surrender code of honor where it was considered far more honorable to commit suicide than to surrender. (I'm sure you've heard of banzai and kamikaze)

 

To say that America wanted to show its power... I highly doubt that, and I really think you underestimate the burden that this put on Truman and his advisors.