hey guys, i was wandering, whats your perspective on white hat hacking? black hat hacking? and grey hat hacking?, any thoughts and ideas?
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Started by Delta22, Feb 24 2013 10:51 PM
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Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:51 PM
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:12 AM
White hat is a viable industry and one that those of us working in IT rely on every day.
There's no such thing as "grey hat" hacking - either you're breaking someone's shit without permission, or with permission. It's just a term black hat hackers use to justify doing shit that no one really cares about and pretending it's legal.
Black hat hacking is just the same as any other crime.
There's no such thing as "grey hat" hacking - either you're breaking someone's shit without permission, or with permission. It's just a term black hat hackers use to justify doing shit that no one really cares about and pretending it's legal.
Black hat hacking is just the same as any other crime.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:33 AM
i would disagree , white hat hacking is for good, black hat hacking is for bad e.g viruses, worms etc... and grey hat hacking is inbetween, not intensionally hurting someoen, not inteding for viruses but only to do illegal hacking just not as bad as black hats.White hat is a viable industry and one that those of us working in IT rely on every day.
There's no such thing as "grey hat" hacking - either you're breaking someone's shit without permission, or with permission. It's just a term black hat hackers use to justify doing shit that no one really cares about and pretending it's legal.
Black hat hacking is just the same as any other crime.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:49 AM
I don't think you fully understand the subject you're trying to discuss.
Hacking involves exploiting bugs in code to gain access to functionality or information that you should not be able to access. Anything other than white hat hacking, which includes responsible disclosure, is immoral.
Black hat hacking is not "viruses, worms, etc". Malware, other than in the forms of RAT/Rootkits is an entirely different subject, and only falls under the spectrum of "hacking" in the broadest possible umbrella.
Hacking involves exploiting bugs in code to gain access to functionality or information that you should not be able to access. Anything other than white hat hacking, which includes responsible disclosure, is immoral.
Black hat hacking is not "viruses, worms, etc". Malware, other than in the forms of RAT/Rootkits is an entirely different subject, and only falls under the spectrum of "hacking" in the broadest possible umbrella.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:47 AM
I don't think you fully understand the subject you're trying to discuss.
Hacking involves exploiting bugs in code to gain access to functionality or information that you should not be able to access. Anything other than white hat hacking, which includes responsible disclosure, is immoral.
Black hat hacking is not "viruses, worms, etc". Malware, other than in the forms of RAT/Rootkits is an entirely different subject, and only falls under the spectrum of "hacking" in the broadest possible umbrella.
what i meant by viruses, worms, etc.. malware is that black hats are bad and will destroy or damage or use the functionality and information for bad, grey hats do get the functionality and information but chooses to not use it for completely bad purposes, and im discusing this topic, or aleast "trying" to discuss it , so i can learn abit more of it and what others think. did i get something wrong or misunderstood?
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:12 AM
Malware has very little to do with hacking.
That point aside, there is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned. You either have permission, or disclose what you find to the operator of the software, or you're doing wrong.
That point aside, there is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned. You either have permission, or disclose what you find to the operator of the software, or you're doing wrong.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:30 AM
and You? do you hack? and do you think that black hats should not hack or are you with them?Malware has very little to do with hacking.
That point aside, there is no middle ground as far as I'm concerned. You either have permission, or disclose what you find to the operator of the software, or you're doing wrong.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 05:06 AM
Taking the risk because "omg they could see me"
At a first glance, Anonymous seems awesome and an example of grey hat hacking, but all they're doing is hacking with the false justification that they're doing something that will actually make a difference. It's like they see themselves as the freedom fighters in a dystopian novel where the government controls all? Like, yes, there's quite a few internet related laws that definitely need to be looked at, but threatening the government via hacking isn't going to change anything, or possibly it will be in the wrong direction.
Hacking in general I just find is overhyped and romanticized. I had a kid in my high school who hacked into the system and took down a bunch of the computers in the lab after sending a vulger message with an alert box. He thought he was some pretty hot shit until the school figured out what happened. It's fun in movies and novels and I love Garcia from Criminal Minds, but I think it loses the excitement in the real world.
At a first glance, Anonymous seems awesome and an example of grey hat hacking, but all they're doing is hacking with the false justification that they're doing something that will actually make a difference. It's like they see themselves as the freedom fighters in a dystopian novel where the government controls all? Like, yes, there's quite a few internet related laws that definitely need to be looked at, but threatening the government via hacking isn't going to change anything, or possibly it will be in the wrong direction.
Hacking in general I just find is overhyped and romanticized. I had a kid in my high school who hacked into the system and took down a bunch of the computers in the lab after sending a vulger message with an alert box. He thought he was some pretty hot shit until the school figured out what happened. It's fun in movies and novels and I love Garcia from Criminal Minds, but I think it loses the excitement in the real world.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 07:06 AM
I think some laws should be broken, sometimes.
I don't think he needs to be immortal. I think all he needs to do is to write the right story. Because some stories do live forever.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:50 AM
One of the first computer worms was completely unintentional. THAT is grey-hat hacking.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:01 PM
I personally think that he is saying that
Black Hat - Malicious reasons
White Hat - to help security systems (good intent)
Grey Hat - not trying to hurt anyone, but alter code in a software bundle for increased personal functionality. Such as Access Login hack or I/O intercept for data entry... Something like that, I don't think hacking someone elses computer or server is ethical, but to manipulate your MS Word bundle because you want to change some features for personal use, I think that is fine.
What anonymous states is stupid, it basically terrorism, their ideals maybe correct but their actions are unethical, immoral, and stupid.
Black Hat - Malicious reasons
White Hat - to help security systems (good intent)
Grey Hat - not trying to hurt anyone, but alter code in a software bundle for increased personal functionality. Such as Access Login hack or I/O intercept for data entry... Something like that, I don't think hacking someone elses computer or server is ethical, but to manipulate your MS Word bundle because you want to change some features for personal use, I think that is fine.
What anonymous states is stupid, it basically terrorism, their ideals maybe correct but their actions are unethical, immoral, and stupid.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:43 PM
Who is to decide what is just and unjust? Let's not forget that America was founded by a bunch of terrorists.
I much prefer hacking over something like people getting hurt/dying for a cause that isn't their own.
Since this is obviously completely opinion based - there is a time and place for black hat hacking; I have yet to see it, but I'm sure it has/will exist. As far as people who do this kind of thing maliciously (for money or in the spirit of being an asshole) they are no better than a petty thief.
I much prefer hacking over something like people getting hurt/dying for a cause that isn't their own.
Since this is obviously completely opinion based - there is a time and place for black hat hacking; I have yet to see it, but I'm sure it has/will exist. As far as people who do this kind of thing maliciously (for money or in the spirit of being an asshole) they are no better than a petty thief.
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Posted 25 February 2013 - 03:30 PM
I call that "Oops, I fucked up", not hacking.One of the first computer worms was completely unintentional. THAT is grey-hat hacking.
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