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#881 SpleenBeGone

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:54 AM

Even if they've applied a DoT effect, I'd rather dive in and take the kill to secure it, rather than let the enemy walk and then not see the death notification because they healed through minions, or spells, or the DoT ran out, etc

I find dots to be terribly unreliable.

I get bitched at a lot when I play blitz because I can kill low health people with rocket grab. If they're not going to get to the enemy champ in time, I really don't see a problem with that.

 

 

Don't worry, it happens on NA servers too

 

Can't tell you how many times I've played Thresh support and accidentally killed the enemy adc while trying to save my own [usually they'll be standing there aa'ing eachother, and I notice my adc's health is going down alot faster] just to have my adc go "OMFG why did you do that, noob?"

 

idk, but you only have 50 hp left so I'de stfu and reca- oh too late the jungler found you

 

best one ever, though, was me and an almost dead top chasing a low health jungler. The top didn't have boots, and I had mobi boots, so I caught up to him and hooked him, but the hook did just enough damage to finish him off.

 

That top bitched the rest of the game saying "This Thresh sucks, he ks's all my kills"

 

He ended the game 2/15/6, the 6 assists being from teamfights

 

 

 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:24 AM

I've got 6511 IP, and I need to spend it. >.>

Turns out, all three champs I own are listed as "Fighters", so that's what I'm looking at.

I honestly haven't played a lot of them, so I'm going to try and do some ARAMs to try different ones.

 

On that note, a few that look relatively interesting:

Zac

Jayce

Volibear

Fiora

For the big, expensive champs. Are they really any better, or just newer?

 

Some cheaper ones I'm looking at, maybe getting multiples of.

Renekton

Pantheon

Garen

Nasus

 

Are there any of these I should steer clear of? 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:14 AM

I've only seen Zac twice. My sole interest in him is that he looks nifty. >.>

 

I generally don't Jungle, so I'm going to rule out Voli.

 

Jayce and Fiora are still on my interesting lists. I'll see if  I can get them in a random. 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:22 AM

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:28 AM

Zac - Tank/initiator. Annoying to fight against mid/late game, strong team asset.

Jayce - Used to be good poke dmg. Has been overnerfed, fairly worthless atm.

Volibear - He's alright. Decent tank/initiator, a bit more of a duelist aspect to him.

Fiora - everyone hates seeing her picked on their team. she's alright, no tank aspect to her but she can do good dmg if you get ahead. real bitch in lane depending on matchup.

 

Some cheaper ones I'm looking at, maybe getting multiples of.

Renekton - can win just about any lane. His usefulness falls pretty hard mid/late game, depends on his team past lane phase.

Pantheon - typical ad caster; can dump on a squishy easily, anyone tanky is a problem and any team that knows to CC him will make him fairly useless outside of lane.

Garen - fairly strong. tank mode with decent dps, has good matchups.

Nasus - recently nerfed a bit, but still just farm q stacks and go ham planet on kids

 

Zac has good damage on his slingshot and let's bounce but he does require his team to follow through. It's not uncommon to see Zac easily solo an ADC if he's ahead, especially with the current popular no/minimal escape picks.

Voli def. can top, you just don't see it too often.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:30 PM

Yeah, I think I'm currently level 20. >.>


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:38 PM

Also gotta remember me and spleen aren't matched up against diamond players. Zac has great potential, but in the hands of an idiot might as well just slingshot, ult and die.

 

and even though he's currently useless on the pro circuit, I wouldn't call Jayce useless vs newer players. Max Q/E without putting any points in W and once you get a Tear you can poke your opponent out of lane all day. If they get ballsy and decide to stay, hammer time for an easy kill. [That being said, I wouldn't mind if Jayce got a slight buff to help his lack of early and late game strength.]

 

I'm sure I don't have to tell you, but a good part of a champion's usefulness comes from how enemies can handle them. Us being paired with bronzes means we're practically playing an entirely different game than someone being paired with diamonds.

When we're talking about different skill levels the only real consideration I put forth is a champions skill floor and skill cap. I'd say zac's skill floor is pretty low; there's not a whole lot going on. I think most people could read a guide and play him fairly decently.

 

Jayce has a pretty low win rate, even amongst bronze. He's in an awkward state of needing the mana regen from tear but muramana has been overnerfed as well as his kit. (and not being able to stack tear from stance changes really fked him as well) I'd say any lane matchup for him is going to be an uphill battle; you're going to need to be x% better than your opponent, whereas other champions you can pick can win a matchup of even skill. As I've always said though, it's more important to play what you enjoy and not what's in flavor; it just takes a lot of enjoyment from a champ to overcome the frustration of "I'm better than him, easily, but he's still winning".



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:47 PM

So what's your opinion on the cheaper champs I listed?

I've noticed I play characters that can stay in lane or survive relatively well. I build Xin with vamp, Blitz has his shield, and I stack a shit ton of mana for it, and Naut is just overall durable. They also don't really have any escape, it's an all or nothing sort of deal. 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:57 PM

So what's your opinion on the cheaper champs I listed?

I've noticed I play characters that can stay in lane or survive relatively well. I build Xin with vamp, Blitz has his shield, and I stack a shit ton of mana for it, and Naut is just overall durable. They also don't really have any escape, it's an all or nothing sort of deal. 

There's notes next to each champion in the quote. :P

Renekton/Garen/Nasus/Zac/Voli are all either high sustain or turbo tanky.

 

Nasus is pretty big luls. The first 20 minutes of the game all you do is farm; try avoid fighting your lane opponent unless you're positive you can win (you usually can't early on). If you get through the first 20 minutes with keeping your farm up you'll get so big that you're nearly impossible to kill. The longer the game goes on, the harder to kill you get. I've seen huge Nasus' 4v1 before and win.

 

If you're looking for someone to fight with in lane Renekton is a really good choice. You'll have to trade more than you're used to but once you get the hang of it you really shouldn't lose lane without external factors (read: their jungler camping your shit).

 

Garen is probably the easiest of all the above listed.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 01:04 PM

Did not notice that, thought you quoted wolf for some reason. >.>

 

I think Nasus was the first champ I played, he was free with blitz that week. He seemed pretty nifty, but the deathgrip familiarity to initiate got me with blitz. He seems like a very interesting one to go with.

I really enjoy the lane fights. I think I might have enough to get Renekton and Garen as well and just toy with all of them. 


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 02:27 PM

So, I'm trying Nasus. I'm really not used to farming for so long without doing anything. I can see how he can get really big though. The guide I looked up for him has me stacking armor to start with, then damage. The second game I did the reverse and it seemed to work a lot better, I was able to kill minions faster and build up my Q.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:53 PM

You filthy casuals disgust me.

What was I .. oh right, back to DoTa.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:12 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, it's just hard having someone call one of your favorite champs useless

 

I guess I know how Heimerdinger players feel, now T~T

Dinger's rework actually made him pretty powerful, I thought.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:48 PM

Well his missiles aren't homing anymore, instead they fire towards your cursor. Grenade is still basically the same, and you can build a max of 3 turrets instead of 2. His ult now empowers his next ability. Grenade bounces and does damage on each bounce, missile fires 5 barrages, and I forget what it does to his turrets.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:54 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, it's just hard having someone call one of your favorite champs useless

 

I guess I know how Heimerdinger players feel, now T~T

Useless was probably a poor choice of wording.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:55 PM

They better not have broken Donger. I liked him.


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Posted 16 January 2014 - 04:57 PM

You filthy casuals disgust me.

What was I .. oh right, back to DoTa.

It's funny because the DoTA community (generally speaking) despises the league community but at the same time wants more players; and it's just like, okay, in general dota community goes all elitist asshole status which in turn makes it a lot less likely that people are going to switch. They directly hurt themselves.

 

I realize your post was jestful/lighthearted, just made me think about it.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:11 AM

It's funny because the DoTA community (generally speaking) despises the league community but at the same time wants more players; and it's just like, okay, in general dota community goes all elitist asshole status which in turn makes it a lot less likely that people are going to switch. They directly hurt themselves.

 

I realize your post was jestful/lighthearted, just made me think about it.

The only possible cure to Dota community at the moment is banning Russia and Brasil, otherwise the hate train will never stop.

Also we need some kind of Jesus to spread love, new people won't change much really.



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Posted 17 January 2014 - 06:42 AM

I feel that way about LoL. Why the fuck are Brazilians and Russians playing on EUW, EVEN IN RANKED and going "lel 900 ping"


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Posted 17 January 2014 - 08:39 AM

I feel that way about LoL. Why the fuck are Brazilians and Russians playing on EUW, EVEN IN RANKED and going "lel 900 ping"


Sometimes russians forget where they live on the map.They cant help it.